WASHINGTON - The Bush administration, called to account by Congress after the Supreme Court blocked military tribunals, said Tuesday all detainees at Guantanamo Bay and in U.S. military custody everywhere are entitled to protections under the Geneva Conventions.
White House spokesman Tony Snow said the policy, outlined in a new Defense Department memo, reflects the recent 5-3 Supreme Court decision blocking military tribunals set up by
President Bush. That decision struck down the tribunals because they did not obey international law and had not been authorized by Congress.
The policy, described in a memo by Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England, appears to change the administration's earlier insistence that the detainees are not prisoners of war and thus not subject to the Geneva protections.
The memo instructs recipients to ensure that all Defense Department policies, practices and directives comply with Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions governing the humane treatment of prisoners.
"You will ensure that all DOD personnel adhere to these standards," England wrote.
Word of the Bush administration's new stance came as the Senate Judiciary Committee opened hearings Tuesday on the politically charged issue of how detainees should be tried.
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Well thank you; we now have an Al-Qaida bill of rights that protects our enemies and gives them the same rights as our soldiers, does that make sense to anyone? Our so called “detainee’s” are now accorded the rights under the Geneva Convention? How is this possible at all, looking at article 4 section 2 of the Geneva Convention we see what is said.
2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) That of carrying arms openly;
(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
It’s very clear that they do not follow these rules and have no intentions of doing so. I understand that the administration is trying to prosecute this war carefully and politically correct, that is only done because there are those among us who use our troops and their deaths as political leverage and it disgusts me. It is my hope that the terrorists that we now find on the battlefield are more likely to be shot on site than be dragged into the legal system. They revel in the fact that they are chopping the heads off of our troops and killing innocent people. We must oppose this policy with all haste. Our president is very wrong on this one and it will come back to haunt us.
Tuesday, July 11, 2006
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And yet our best legal minds have disagreed with you - saying that this is legally binding for us. I suppose you'll support the Supreme Court ruling and President's decision on this?
What an absolute load of crap.
"I suppose you'll support the Supreme Court ruling and President's decision on this?"
Not if they keep pushing garbage! Caving in to the bleeding heart far left is NOT a viable solution to anything.
How in the hell are we supposed to fight the muslim horde. I guess we should withdraw our troops and wait for the next 9-11 to happen. then we can have another commission to find out why we didn't do anything before it happened. What a crock of shit. Arm yourselves folks we are in for a hell of a ride.
So, jarhead and bushwack, are you proposing anarchy? Civil disobedience? Criminal actions?
As to your question, bushwack (how are we to fight the "muslim horde"?), I'd suggest that the classical conservative answer is we don't know enough to go around the world trying to intervene in every sovereign nation that we think might be a threat to us and to do so would make our gov't ungodly BIG. So, classic conservatives would say, we prepare our defenses and mind our business.
It's not our gov't's role to go intervening in every nation around the world. To do so would violate Faith-based morality, classic conservatism and our own legal system. You think?
So, screw the legal system and our own values, let's do what we want and...then what? Prosecute ourselves for breaking our own laws? Say that we are not applying rules to ourselves? And, what if a majority of the US still wants our leaders to be accountable to the law? Is it okay with you if we prosecute them when they break 'em?
We have been intervening in world affairs since at least 1898 in Spanish-American War when we threw off the spanish rule of cuba. Did you forget Panama not to mention all the others
Lets just let all the terrorists out of prison too while were at it..isnt that cruel and inhumane?..sheesh.
how are ya RWG?..;)
I'm pretty good hun, just have been rattling the cages of some libs lol
My question remains: Do we prosecute ourselves, then, if we break our own laws?
no cuz u have yet to state which laws we are breaking?
The post here is about whether or not we should give the detainees Geneva rights. Our courts have said, yes. You sounded like you were saying "forget what the courts say, let's do what we think is right!" In other words, you were saying, it seemed to me, that we should break the laws as written by our legislators and interpreted by our courts.
Jarhead said, in response to my question (will we follow our laws?): "Not if they keep pushing garbage!" and you said, "We must oppose this policy with all haste." If you think we should encourage our legislators to change laws legally and that's what you mean, fine. If you are saying we ought to ignore the ruling, then I've a problem with that.
If that is not what you're saying - if you DO think we should follow the laws of our country (and we have made the Geneva Convention our law by signing on to it) - then we're in agreement. It just didn't sound like some of you wanted to obey the laws.
" i hope our troops kill our enemies on the ground now instead of bringing them here"
But depending upon how this happened, we'd be opening ourselves to charges of war crimes. This would not be a good thing for our soldiers. Or are you saying we ought not obey our own laws?
If another nation were committing war crimes, AND they refused to do anything about it locally (as should happen), then that would be justification for a military intervention. Do you really want to place the US above the law?
your compassion is a weakness in this venue, and our enemies will exploit it
Obeying the law is a weakness? Who said anything about compassion? I'm talking about obeying the law. That's all.
And, if it's all the same to you, whether or not you think we ought to obey our laws, the rest of We the People shall patriotically insist that our leaders DO obey the law. Okay? Thanks.
Come on Dan, are you advocating the same rules for the assholes we are fighting?
Lets be real if they have no fear of us because of our courts then we are fighting one handed, is there any reason we can not fight fire with fire and still maintain the high ground? I think we can, mostly by not allowing Press access to the battlefield.
Oppose anything that puts American Military personel at a disadvantage.
I'm with RWG on this one Kill em before they get here no problem
I don't know what's so hard to accept here: I'm advocating - no, demanding - that we obey our own laws. I will not accept war crimes from anyone but certainly not my own country and I will fight to end them and see those responsible held accountable.
I have to tell you, what I'm hearing from you two (and maybe I'm just misunderstanding you) is advocacy of war crimes. You can't wrap yourself in a flag, call for war crimes and still pretend to be a patriotic believer in the American Way.
Please tell me that I'm mistaken about your position.
I advocate justice, and that canot be achieved by letting them into our legal system
And yet our justice system and even the president disagrees.
How about this scenario:
I fully believe in Justice, as well. I'd love to see justice for those who'd commit atrocities such as cutting heads off of innocent civilians. I'd also like to see justice for those who commit war crimes.
I'm not sure right now how to get justice against the decapitators but I believe Bush to be committing war crimes and therefore I think Justice demands that I take action to stop Bush.
Would you recommend I take the law in to my own hands and stop Bush however I can? If you're advocating lawlessness and placing ourselves above the law, then this seems a logical conclusion.
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